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Pedophilia: nature or nurture?

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Anonymous at 14 Jan 2005: 21:33

Have you ever known an ex-pedophile?

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 00:55

im a pedophile

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 05:59

I'm an ex-pedo.

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 11:42

>>1
>>2
>>3
i know 3 now

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NOTanonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 14:02

Pedophiles are just people too weak to resist the urge to infect something so innocent.

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 15:46

This forum is for serious political debate (not current events).

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 16:06

If gay rights is a political debate, so is paedophilia.

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 16:35

I would say this is a stupid question since 99% percent of pedophiles don't talk about it in public.

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 17:45

That's why it's a perfect question for this forum!

Oh oh oh, but people are going to lie, because it's the Internet.
You mean "ex-gays" don't lie face-to-face? pssshhh you are naive.

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Anonymous at 15 Jan 2005: 20:46

pedo should be legal.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 01:32

>>9
no, I just meant that if you ever met an ex-pedo, you wouldn't know, because they probably wouldn't say "Hey, did you know I used to be a pedophile?  Yup, I always thought kids were really sexy."  Also, if someone you knew was a pedophile, and then stopped being one, you probably wouldn't know that either, because they probably wouldn't have told you that they were one to begin with.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 03:23

>>10
ohh i love kids ass... too

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 04:39

first you must define pedo.  In some societies on earth today a 13yr old girl is old enough to marry.  Some tribal societies (before the Mormons got to them) held that children should be iniated to sex by an older relative, others by the older children.
 
In the US they would all be classed as pedos.

Given the range of variation shown, I'd wager "Nurture".  The fact that a large percentage pedos were themselves victims also supports it.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 04:50

>>13
if so, why are there so many pedophiles?  you wouldnt see a thing that might lead you to pedophilia, unless you SEEKED it.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 06:38

>>14

Childeren are taboo as sex objects (for good fucking reason I might add). Misunderstood or inadequetly explained taboos lead curiosity.  The spiral can be stopped right here by proper explaination. Repression only amplifies curiosity which amplifies repression.  Somewhere in this vicious cycle curiosity will mutate into desire.  Around here  people will either commit suicide, seek professional help... or start looking for kiddy porn.  Thanks to the news, everyone knows theres kiddy porn on the internet.  If our budding pedophile makes it onto irc (dal.net in particular), they're set.  Thousands upon thousands of upload >=< download ratio fileservers offering free credits to start. Our pedophile will burn through these in a few days. They'll either start acting as couriers, transfering between file servers untill they get enough to set up their own server... or... or they'll start producing child porn.  As all criminals go... they only get smarter with time... I sought professional help once I realized what I was being silently asked to do.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 07:18

failed romance leads to pedophilia, me thinks.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 13:03

>>14
Are there really that many pedophiles?  It's talked about a lot on the news and sensationalized, but really, is it that common?

We should distinguish between the legal definitions, where the definitions vary from place to place, and the core idea of having sexual desires for prepubescent children, which I think is a very, very rare situation.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 13:45

Pedophiles just made up their sexual preference, just like homosexuals. Theres no way a sane person can fap to kids (microgenitallia that is of little use to adults) or members of the same sex (genitallia that doesn't even fit your own). I don't think people are really gay or pedo, but they feel they are and act on it. By pedo, I mean attracted to kids 12 and under (or pre/early puberty). 15 and older girls look the same until mid 20's, so if you have sex with a 16 y/o a pedo you are not, pervert maybe.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 13:52

also >>15 scares me.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 18:34

>>18
Pedophiles just made up their sexual preference, just like homosexuals.
I would bet $200 you do not know anyone openly gay.

>>17
Studies indicate that 20% of American men have some paedophilic tendencies, and roughly 7% would honestly rape a child if there were no consequences (e.g. on a desert island). The figure is more like 2% in women, though.
Source: http://www.glgarden.org/desire/population.html

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 19:44

>>18
What the fuck is the difference between believing that you like something and actually liking it?  How could you tell?  You don't make any sense.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 22:39

Not his job to make sense.  Talking from your ass provides alot of freedom.

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Anonymous at 16 Jan 2005: 22:40

Not his job to make sense.  Talking from your ass provides alot of freedom.

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Anonymous at 17 Jan 2005: 00:35

>>20
Can we define our terms?  When you say "pedophilic tendencies," do you mean these men are saying "yeah, I'd bone a 17 year old girl if I wouldn't get caught," or do you mean they're lusting for seven-year-olds?

I'm not disagreeing with you.  I'm trying to understand what you mean.  Define "tendencies."  Define "rape."  Define "child."  Help me understand your position.  Thanks.

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Anonymous at 17 Jan 2005: 00:49

>>24
I'll take a direct quote from the source.

H.E. Barbaree, W.L. Marshall: Erectile responses amongst heterosexual child molesters, father-daughter incest offenders and matched non-offenders. Five distinct age preference profiles. Annual meeting of the International Academy of Sex Research, Amsterdam, August 1986.

Cite (Sandfort): [A] study by Barbaree and Marshall [...] shows that the situation is even more complex. Adults who had had sexual contacts with children were differentiated on the basis of five distinct age preference profiles of penile response, as measured with a plethysmograph. J. Briere, M. Runtz: University males' sexual interest in children: predicting potential indices of "pedophilia" in a nonforensic sample. Child Abuse & Neglect 13:1 (1989), pp. 65-75.

A survey was administered to 193 male undergraduate students regarding their sexual interest in children, as well as their responses to a number of questions theoretically relevant to pedophilia. In total, 21% of subjects reported sexual attraction to some small children, 9% described sexual fantasies involving children, 5% admitted to having masturbated to such fantasies, and 7% indicated some likelihood of having sex with a child if they could avoid detection and punishment. These sexual interests were associated with negative early sexual experiences, masturbation to pornography, self-reported likelihood of raping a woman, frequent sex partners, sexual conflicts, and attitudes supportive of sexual dominance over women. The data did not, however, support clinical theories regarding sexual repression or impulse-control problems among potential pedophiles.

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Anonymous at 17 Jan 2005: 03:02

>>25

Thats a really long post there... It'd be even better if it actually said something.

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Anonymous at 17 Jan 2005: 14:17

>>20

Ofcourse some pedophile website would selectively choose studies to quote. If there were no homosexual culture, the number of homosexuals would be less, the same with pedos and the online pedo culture. The encourage other people to join them with bullshit like this.

>>18

I meant in the same way that people pretent to like sports, or a certain style of dress in order to fit in with some cliqueish group.

Fine maybe a few people are gay or pedo, but its a tiny fraction of the total who claim to be pedos or gay and even those people could be treated. It makes no sense from an evolutionary standpoint to have sex with the same sex or not-yet-fertile members of the opposite sex. Why would so many members of a species have a condition that dooms your species?

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Anonymous at 17 Jan 2005: 16:30

>>27

You're kind of dumb.

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Anonymous at 18 Jan 2005: 02:22

>>27
Could you really become sexual aroused & erect in a sexual situation with a man and reach orgasm just to try to be cool?  Or would it be impossible for you to find it arousing?  If you couldn't do it, what reason do you have to assume that anybody else would be able to?

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Anonymous at 18 Jan 2005: 13:42

Japanese soldiers fucked Korean lolis in WWII.  American soldiers fucked Vietnamese lolis in Vietnam War.  Russian soldiers fucked French, German, well let's just say all the lolis they found on the way to Germany.  I think that's interesting fact to think about.

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Anonymous at 18 Jan 2005: 14:36

>>31
I think this supports the "1 in 5" theory, actually

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Anonymous at 18 Jan 2005: 23:16

This thread is beyond stupid...

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Anonymous at 19 Jan 2005: 01:17

It's VIP QUALITY!

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Anonymous at 19 Jan 2005: 01:20

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

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Anonymous at 19 Jan 2005: 04:18

>>31
Korean was a part of Japanese in WWII.

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Anonymous at 19 Jan 2005: 12:05

>>36
lol part of more liek occupied by

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Anonymous at 19 Jan 2005: 19:29

>>37
Korea and Taiwan weren't same as Manchuria which had been, indeed, occupied by Japan.

So Korean soldiers can be found with Japanese ones in a Chinese propaganda.
http://japanese.joins.com/transboard/upfile/up28088.jpg

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Anonymous at 19 Jan 2005: 20:41

I think everyone has the potential to be a pedo. Any fetishes can be cultivated. Getting turned on by breasts is such an example. It's just become so widespread that it's no longer considered out of the ordinary, but do you really think sexual attraction to breasts is instinctive? A lot of people who are full blown pedophiles started out with normal sexual interests, but then explored the field on a whim or out of curiousity, and accidentally let it get out of hand.

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 00:51

Sexual attraction to breasts is instinctive. Breasts are one indicator of fertility. Needless to say, as a species it's in our intrest for the males to be busy fucking healthy fertile females.

Don't go blabbing about something you so obviously don't get.

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 00:52

Not that I disagree with the assertion of >>39 though. That was just a poor example.

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 11:45

>>40 That would be assuming that breasts size was designed to indicate health and fertility, and assuming that people are instinctively attracted to large breasts. That is not always the case.

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 11:54

ืNo more boobs talk plzkthx

boobs are disgusting

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BQB at 20 Jan 2005: 12:47

Hooray for BQQBIES!

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 12:51

me and 43 are making this the official pedo hangout thread

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 14:21

sage

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 15:30

flat chest = bad at making/storing milk
larger chest = more milk storage capablities, etc
So, yes, larger breasts do generally indicate better abilities to rear young.  It would be evolutionarily beneficial to prefer bigger boobs over smaller boobs.  Instincts are usually pretty simple like this.

However, the extent that people in western society obsess over naked breasts might be enhanced over that of some tribe where they are constantly exposed to them.  I imagine they would still find them arousing and prefer bigger ones, however... much in the same way that western males still think good legs are hot, even though it's common to see naked ones.

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 16:08

btw, no party supports pedos (nambla political wing maybe?), I don't think this is politics.

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 17:53

This stupidity belongs in another forum.

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Shii at 20 Jan 2005: 17:56

sorry there is no Philosophy forum right now, you can talk philosophy in here all you want

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 18:51

>>47 hmm maybe this is why asian people are short and look underdeveloped. their mommies didn't give them enough tit ;)

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Anonymous at 20 Jan 2005: 23:32

>>50
Must be one nasty caricature of a Philosophy forum you have planned there...

This shit belongs in VIP.

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Shii at 21 Jan 2005: 00:38

ok any discussion mr. anonymous finds revolting belongs in the vip forum

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Anonymous at 21 Jan 2005: 09:17

It's not revolting. It's just plain asinine. Read the comments man.

WTF does pedophilia have to do with politics anyway? It's generally some older guy getting a hardon over some titless brats.

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Anonymous at 21 Jan 2005: 14:20

vote 1 and leave

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Anonymous at 21 Jan 2005: 15:01

>>50

i don't think pedo is a philosophy either (catholicism?) . Maybe psychology board would be appropriate. This board should be renamed to "PHILOSOPHY+THEOLOGY+PSYCHOLOGY+SOCIOLOGY+POLITICS" then.

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Anonymous at 25 Jan 2005: 08:17

There needs to be a simple "society" board.

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Anonymous at 5 Feb 2005: 19:09

I was watching something about the Pornography industry on HBO the other day. The Europeans think that the American male's fetish of liking large breasts is a side effect of our infantilization.

One porn actress said, and I paraphrase: "It's a very good thing that we have pornography, otherwise we would be a bunch of "mother fuckers".

I guess this post could also belong to a thread dealing with Freudianism.

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Anonymous at 5 Feb 2005: 22:43

>>58

actually the same psychological mechanism is at work with "lolicon"

as per freud, people who want to ignore/repress the unconscious human impetus towards infantilized sexual idealization will gravitate toward the extreme opposite of the spectrum... and hence "lolicon" was born, it's about as old as time itself.

as your porn actress says... "mother fuckers". go directly and fuck your mother, or try to fuck the furthest thing from your mother to avoid thinking about fucking your mother

lol freud

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 03:34

>>59

I have to disagree, sort of. With everyone, including the Europeans. I'm going to try to figure this convoluted subject out, I could be wrong about all of this, but here it is:

I think we are hard-wired with a natural aversion to our mothers and immediate family members. We don't have an idealization of them, we have an "aversion" to them. Would you want to have sex with someone that even looked like your mother?

Freud also said that when males prefer females who are physically larger than they are that these males must have more than natural feelings for their mother. If the guy was not outright making things up, I don't think he had a good understanding of this issue.. I think it's possible that he or a subject of his had an aversion to his mother that disturbed him in some sense that carried over to his ideation of sex with women and Freud found all of this to be a very common psychological phenomenon, and he took that knowledge and coupled it with child psychology and tried to apply it to adults by exploiting all of that knowledge into pseudo-scientifical sophistry (that is, if he indeed does apply it to adults, I don't have a good understanding of his work. Maybe it's other people exploiting Freuds ideas?)..

It probably wouldn't be too hard to exploit, for control, the naivety of some fellow who lacked understanding of himself and who also happened to have strong sexual aversions to his mother, maybe feeling the idea of the mother invading some private space of his sexual being in some instances. Someone sophisticated enough could cause such a person to think that, in reality, they wanted to have sex with their mother.

Maybe the gravitation to the opposite(if "opposite" is not arbitrary), to pedophilia, is a natural gravitation away from the aversion and to physiological purity, only there is one problem with that: it's clearly antisocial to act on your pedophilic lust.

Antisocial personality disorder is having a lack of compassion for others. Seeing a weakness in others and wanting to exploit it for your own gain shows a lack of conscience--this is the gist of antisocial behavior.

The idea that most pedophiles resist following through with their instinctive lust and decide not to act on it due to the harm it would cause the object of their affection is also very popular and makes much sense to me.

Basically, what I would like to say is that when pedophiles are not antisocial they will not violate children, and if they do violate children, possibly while rationalizing that the child isn't being harmed, they are violating the child, and themselves as well. If it were carried out within a culture such as ours it could also harm other pedophiles, and society itself.

As for the issue of incest, it's easier for a me to look at bisexually (here, this word is not meant in a sexual orientation/preference sense but as incest applies to both sexes, whereas the whole pedophile thing is easier for me to understand from the male POV). Whether it be a son and his mother or a daughter and her father, for it to occur and not cause a major psychological disturbance in the son or daughter, that individual would have to completely lack the aversion, and probably have to be psychologically disordered in a way that makes them view their mother/father as something other than a mother/father, if that is possible, and/or in an extreme and odd case of antisocial personality, simply as an "object".

Even for someone to be erotically stimulated by the thought of having sex with their mother, father, etc. would be a sign of psychological disorder unless it's not recurrent and happens while they are in a dream-state or something of that nature. If one is not antisocial, can think efficiently (i.e they are not retarted), the odds of them having Oedipal Syndrome (if that means someone who wants to bang his mother) or "oedipette syndrome", for that matter, would have to be nearly impossible. How this applies to Freudianism, I don't know. I would have to research it.

Sorry if some of that has poor grammar. I'm not an expert at it and I didn't want to set here for a long period of time trying to correct and simplify it.

Oh, and if it matters for the reader, I do have some pedophile tendencies. However, my strong attraction to females is not limited or primarily focused at young females. In fact, many people, of any age level and especially under 14, succeed at being "not my type". I cannot be attracted to a girl just because she's young and innocent so I'll have to disagree with whoever posted something about how pedophiles only want to infect innocence. or whatever it was. 

I do agree that this doesn't really fit into a politics category. Maybe Science would have been more appropriate.

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 03:39

sit*

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 07:20

>>60
commenting on freud

if you subscribe to freud, seeking out your anti-mother in a sexual partner is the repressive manifestation of the infantilized id

meaning it actually wants something visually akin to your mother subconsciously, in the part of mind that cannot be rationalized

race is another spectrum on which to slide
besides the age spectrum....

many asian fetishes from anglo race perspectives are created out of perceptions of submissiveness and far-removed cultural exoticness, in that many of these individuals have issues dealing with women of their own race as equals for whatever reason

other races are an easy way to achieve the conscious "aversion" you are referring to, what goes on in the id is separate from conscious action

as far as the age spectrum goes... generally it is kept within reason, the 25year old wife of the 80year old oil tycoon et al

though youth has always been lusted after, there has always been reasonable moral restraint based on maturity considerations

harming a child is abjectly wrong as is all actual pedophelia, socially or anti-socially

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 18:43

>>58

i watched that too, i think the bitch who said that wasn't a pornstar but was some BS psychologist or random panalist. Not everyone who commented on that show was in the porno industry. BTW, the dicks they showed weren't that impresive, perhaps they last a long time and can come on command.

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 20:06

<<62

"actual pedophilia" is not child abuse. It's just an attraction to young girls. Pedophilia and Child Abuse are two different things. "Anti-social" does not mean what it looks like it does; anti-social behavior has nothing to do with being unsocial towards people, it means to use people, exploiting their weakness for your gain, with no empathy for them and thinking that they deserve it because they are weaker.

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 20:44

What is the proper term, then, for a man who feels sexual desire for prepubescent girls, but understands that this is wrong, and lives his entire life never acting on these urges?  Is he still a "pedophile" if he never buys kiddy pr0n or does anything to a child?

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 21:21

Correct.

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Anonymous at 6 Feb 2005: 21:24

>>65 the proper term is:
"a man who feels sexual desire for prepubescent girls, but understands that this is wrong"

the term pedophilia is defined to indicate action or eventual action - as well as fantasy, it is a blanket term..
you must include the caveat "...but understands that this is wrong AND WILL NEVER ACT UPON IT" if you want to use the term pedophilia to indicate fantasy-only

then there is always the "slippery slope" argument(fantasy degenerating to action)... but we are only talking about a definition of terms here

the operative words in such a caveat are "wrong" and "never act upon it" suggesting you have a clear sense of morality and a full control of will

though it is quite rare to find a socially adjusted person calling themselves a pedophile, with caveats or without

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Anonymous at 7 Feb 2005: 04:02

Post 67 is misleading.

The term "pedophile" could be used erroneously to indicate many things, but it is DEFINED indicating something wholly independent of the idea of sexual encounters or lack therof.

pedophile:

Noun
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

child:

Noun
Inflected forms: pl.chil·dren 1. A person between birth and puberty.

In other words, if you ever feel a sexual attraction to a child, you are a pedophile. Even (and I'm sure it's very common among socially adjusted people, contrary to post 67) if you don't prefer them over older people and are very glad not to act on your attraction to a child, you are still a pedophile, poster 65.

Of course if you want to look at the whole language thing as not dependent on definitions and look at it in a constructivist (is that the right term?) point of view, you could say that the term "pedophile" means only what most people in a given environment thinks it does. If that's the case, than it's probably at an in-between kind of existence, and you might want to use the advice of the 67th poster. Regardless, though, you're a pedophile unless it goes completely off course completely, in whichever environment you are in, from its originally intended meaning.

Well, I hope someone learned something by reading my post (as I have learned things from others here), and even though the layout was loading weird tonight and I had to scroll way over to the right to get the thread list, I am starting to like this place. Keep it up.

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Anonymous at 7 Feb 2005: 04:37

whats wrong with fucking a loli if she agrees?

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Anonymous at 7 Feb 2005: 06:04

>>69
Well... how much did you know about sex when you were 11?  Of course, any more than almost nothing makes you a bad example, but we'll still love you.

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Anonymous at 7 Feb 2005: 19:01

Well, yas.  The typical eight-year-old does not have enough knowledge or life experience to give informed consent.  Typically, a child would not have any idea that she might be risking syphilis or something worse.  An eight-year-old wouldn't even know what syphilis is.  And a hypothetical extremely precocious eight-year-old who had all the medical knowledge about such matters in all likelihood *still* wouldn't have the judgment to decide wisely, nor the life experience to judge whether or not her sweaty bald fat fifty-year-old would-be partner is likely to dismember her afterwards and stuff her tiny corpse into the crawl space of his house--a non-trivial risk, when you consider just how fucked up a man would have to be to want to fuck an eight-year-old girl.

Sex is an adult matter, for adults.  This isn't just a tautology.

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Anonymous at 7 Feb 2005: 22:32

Even if an 18 year old has sex, or an abortion or uses drugs, much later they may regret it. It seems to me, true adulthood is delayed more and more, especially in the western countries. Nowadays, only 60+ year olds can fully appreciate the choices they make. It takes alot longer than it used to to accumulate the proper amount of wisdom. Maybe when life expectancy was shorter it was more important to learn from your mistakes the first time. The hedonsitic lifestyle does not bring longterm satisfaction, but thanks to viagra it is continuing far too long.

If you are attracted to kids before they have reached sexual maturation, it is a serious problem. When it is a 12 year old with tits it becomes more clouded, yet your brain should know better even if your balls don't.

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Anonymous at 8 Feb 2005: 01:19

so you're saying we all should hav secks only if we past our 60's already?

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Anonymous at 8 Feb 2005: 01:20

so you're saying we all should hav secks only if we past our 60's already?

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Anonymous at 8 Feb 2005: 06:09

>>72
I just attribute that to either bullshit or the exponetial growth rate of human stupidity.

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Anonymous at 8 Feb 2005: 23:33

Lolitas are just as likely to have already been through puberty.


"lolita"
Means sexually precocious young girl. In the novel by Nabokov, The main character says that Lolita is a nymphet, and he prefers nymphets to women. He said that nymphets usually lose their "nymphethood" around the age of 14 or shortly later and can be younger than 10, but are usually older.

"Lolicon" doesn't have to be prepubescent. The people on the /l/ board have no idea what they're talking about. You could have "lolita complex" without being a pedophile.

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Anonymous at 15 Feb 2005: 03:38

>>70
>>71

I already knew about STIs when I was 5-year-olds.  They started teaching this by Grade 1.  Sex education is also taken by the age of 10.

Although a person of that age may not be able to give consent in the same way an older person would -- neither do many people of legal age.  All one has to do is watch daytime talk shows where women act beserk over who they believe their baby's father is.

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Anonymous at 20 Feb 2005: 06:27

why is it ok for 13 year olds to fuck each other but not ok for an 18 year old to fuck a 13 year old?

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Anonymous at 20 Feb 2005: 06:32

>>78
ur just jealous

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Anonymous at 20 Feb 2005: 08:14

i want to be

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TRB at 28 Feb 2005: 19:28

I'm 14 and I have a COMPLECKZ

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Anonymous at 28 Feb 2005: 23:36

>>27

By your logic mastubation, having sex with a woman while wearing a condom, having any orgasm at all that doesnt produce children doesnt make sense. Take a "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" pill and stfu

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Anonymous at 28 Feb 2005: 23:36

>>27

By your logic mastubation, having sex with a woman while wearing a condom, having any orgasm at all that doesnt produce children doesnt make sense. Take a "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" pill and stfu

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Anonymous at 1 Mar 2005: 03:11

pedos gtfo

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CV at 3 Mar 2005: 06:48

The current political climate of pedophilia being completely unnaceptable is recent. As little as 100 years ago, there was no crime in sex with 12 year olds. Different eras and peoples have different attitudes towards this. In Roman times, for instance, sex with little boys was completely normal and expected. Today we concoct scientific justifications for the belief that sex with children is harmful to them, but there's little evidence of this. In fact Kinsey largely refuted the idea decades ago and there's almost no study of it today. It's taken as gospel truth. To be sure, forcing anyone into sexual relations is harmful, but to assume that all sex with children is, by nature, forced is so incorrect as to be completely divorced from reality.

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divorced from reality. at 3 Mar 2005: 10:26

i think you are divorced from reality

>Today we concoct scientific justifications for the belief that sex with children is harmful to them,

dont need to concoct anything, poll children who were abused before they were mature, statistics prove you wrong

again, pedos gtfo

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K_x_uksami at 3 Mar 2005: 18:53

Pædophilia is the result of nurture. Compare the levels of pædophilia in authoritarian nations like Japan (ie extremely high) with levels in less authoritarian nations such as some European nations. Unless you're a white supremacist, the implications are clear.

If pædophilia is genetic, then how do we deal with it? Eugenics? Wonderful idea, we all saw how nice it worked for Hitler and preWWII Amerika. Millions of people sterilized or even killed. Is that something we really want to return?

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K_x_uksami at 3 Mar 2005: 18:54

Pædophilia is the result of nurture. Compare the levels of pædophilia in authoritarian nations like Japan (ie extremely high) with levels in less authoritarian nations such as some European nations. Unless you're a white supremacist, the implications are clear.

If pædophilia is genetic, then how do we deal with it? Eugenics? Wonderful idea, we all saw how nice it worked for Hitler and preWWII Amerika. Millions of people sterilized or even killed. Is that something we really want to return?

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Anonymous at 8 Mar 2005: 16:03

>>87
Actually, eugenics would work really well with pedophilia.  Supposing that pedophilia were to be 100% genetic, the only reason pedos breed is that they can't get their hands on lolis.  Just have a government-run system of loli distribution for pedos and they won't be able to procreate.  Problem solved :D

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Anonymous at 8 Mar 2005: 16:03

>>87
Actually, eugenics would work really well with pedophilia.  Supposing that pedophilia were to be 100% genetic, the only reason pedos breed is that they can't get their hands on lolis.  Just have a government-run system of loli distribution for pedos and they won't be able to procreate.  Problem solved :D

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Anonymous at 11 Mar 2005: 16:25

>>85

As recently as 35 years ago child pornography was fully legal.  Magazines such as "How to Seduce Your Daughter" were sold along with the rest of the naughy rags.

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Anonymous at 11 Mar 2005: 16:59

fucking pedos

gtfo

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Anonymous at 11 Mar 2005: 22:25

>>91

in denmark maybe, not in the US FUCKING A.

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K_x_uksami at 12 Mar 2005: 17:06

I seriously doubt there were magazines on how to seduce your daughter. It sounds like an urban legend to me.

As for the gov-loli idea, keep in mind that the republican party hates both pædophilia and government intervention in the economy. :)

Also, I think the term is nymphet or Lolita, not loli (which appears to be a back formation from lolikon)

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Anonymous at 13 Mar 2005: 09:21

It would not work well.  The government is barely able to deliver mail.  It would be like the DMV, where everyone has to wait in line all day to get to the window just before they close it.

By the time you got your loli, she wouldn't be a loli any more.

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Anonymous at 13 Mar 2005: 15:27

>>86

Read >>85 correctly, he said

 "To be sure, forcing anyone into sexual relations is harmful, but to assume that all sex with children is, by nature, forced is so incorrect as to be completely divorced from reality."

And then you mention _abused_ kids? Abuse is harmfull, nomatter what age.

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K_x_uksami at 13 Mar 2005: 16:02

>>95

And of course, there is the problem of getting them. Where would the government acquire thousands of little girls?

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Anonymous at 13 Mar 2005: 16:23

>>94

No, it is true. I saw a documentary on the History channel about it, but it was in scandenavia, esp. denmark where it was happining in the late 60's early 70's. The gov. had to rethink their total legalization of porn and added anti-CP laws.

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Anonymous at 13 Mar 2005: 17:04

>>97
what do you think we're REALLY in iraq for

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Anonymous at 13 Mar 2005: 17:05

>>99
Also, this idea could be used to take some pressure off the orphanages and juvenile detention centers and such.  Two birds with one stone, as it were.

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K_x_uksami at 14 Mar 2005: 18:51

And they could institute a Loliclone program.

102
K_x_uksami at 14 Mar 2005: 18:51

And they could institute a Loliclone program.

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Anonymous at 26 Mar 2005: 23:50

I'd say nurture always beats nature.

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Tei'oopiitiii at 27 Mar 2005: 00:57

>>103

Then should we execute all the pædophiles on the spot? In fact, lets just execute all criminals on the spot if their behavior is genetic.

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Tei'oopiitiii at 27 Mar 2005: 00:59

>>103

Then should we execute all the pædophiles on the spot? In fact, lets just execute all criminals on the spot if their behavior is genetic.

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Anonymous at 27 Mar 2005: 11:12

>>104
hey why not.
if we do that, then we'll end up with super-smart criminals and law abiders.
that is not a very good combination

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SomeDude at 29 Mar 2005: 16:52

Just my half a cent.

Pedophilia is mostly nurture (like most things).
That being said, let me share this thought. (Please forget about abuse. Anyone can be abuse and it's wrong in any of those cases. This is about a "caring" relationship for lack of a better word.)

You like (not using love) a post-pubecent child. You are an "adult" (used loosely). If the relationship is consensual and caring then I believe it's ok. If you care for the child though, you would not want to screw them up by introducing them to "things" too early. This screws kids up (although not all of them). So to prevent them from future pain you should wait. I don't find anything wrong with this kind of relationship but the odds of disturbing the child are against you. If you truly do care, you would wait. If I were is this situation I would. If you don't, you are a horny fucker that should be far away from kids.

If you lust for kids (i.e. just sexual) then you should get help or have a lot of WILL POWER. Note that the previous paragraph implies more than just sex.

BTW, pedos with no restraint and abuse a kid should be shot. Enough money is spent keeping minorities in jail. Cut the finincial umbilical cord. And distributers od child pornography (not loli) should just be killed. The kids are being abused and they are driving down the collective morality of humanity.

Just half a cent.

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some other dude at 29 Mar 2005: 17:07

my half a cent, cuz i'm not gonna waste a penny on this.

like 107, if the relationship is between a post-pubecnt child and an adult goes a little more then parental care, it should not be for sexual reasons, from either side. i dun believe that a relationship buit on sex is ever a good idea. a relationship built on love n care is all good no matter the age of either side. because a true relationship should be love of the person, from lust or pleasure, and those who only live for those should be shot too. if ur that selfish, that u wouldn't care what kind of effect u'd have on ur partner, both mentally and physically, then u don't deserve to have someone and should be put to sleep like the dog u are.

i dun believe pedos, like gays, are a bad thing. itz just a pereference, but if u really care bout that person, consider ur actions and their effects.

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Anonymous at 30 Mar 2005: 07:11

>>108

So when does the child become an adult?  I think you have the right ideas, though, waiting for both physical and mental maturity before sex can be -- what it was meant to be -- a pleasureable thing for both parties.  But again, when?

18?  16?  Law in many American states says 16 is the age when one can give consent for sex, but what about two 14 year olds who want to pork?  Anything wrong with that?   If not, what's wrong with a 14 year old and a 24 year old?  (Other than the obvious exploitation and influence problems, but we're assuming it's truely consentual.)

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some other dude at 30 Mar 2005: 20:10

i mean if they really feel for each other, and they wanta do something like that then by all means, but remember not everyone developes the same, if the person is imature seriously, then no matter the age, itz not a good idea. itz up to the partners to decide when's the best time, and hopefully one if not both will have good judgment (as in maturity). i know relationships where one person is legal but so mentally imature he should be castrated, and i know a girl who's illegal, but so mature she can screw anyone she wants cuz i know she's responsible enough. there are some people in the world that are responsible enough to handle a relationship. for the other's who aren't mature enough, should wait till they're ready, and for those who'd neva mature, should be shot.

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Anonymous at 11 Apr 2005: 17:44

>>110

I'm sure that I would have paid much more attention to your arguments had you presented them in proper English.

Anyway, my thoughts are pretty standard on this issue. Not surprisingly, being an enormous geek and never having the self-esteem or the percieved "innate ability" to develop friendships with girls throughout my school years (a function of both the way I was treated by peers, and the way I acted in general -- not all of what people did to bully me was unjustified, as I was an annoying fucking prick), I pretty much went through the 19 years of my life completely oblivious to the actual behavioral patterns of females. Never having kissed, cuddled, held hands, dated, and of course never having sex, I developed elaborate notions and preconceptions about ideals and morals when dealing with relationships.

As a result, I get offended and downright angry when hearing of anyone between the ages of 12 and 20 even thinking of sexual encounters. This isn't really from a religious or moral perspective (even though I do consider myself more morally upright than these people due to my extreme chastity, and I am completely not religious in any way), but more because I'm pretty much extremely jealous of the fact that all a female has to do is step out of her house and she is chased after by males.

When reading a pamphlet I picked up on how to get a girl, it's got about ten to fifteen "tips" such as "Myth: being a nice guy won't get you anywhere" and "Bad Idea: letting her know how you feel too early on", with explanations and a paragraph for each one. All in all, it's pretty much telling me, the budding Casanova, that I should be going out of my way to try and give off an artificial vibe that most people aren't even born with.

Then looking at the section where it says "how to get a guy", I see that there is not a tip to be found. How will these poor girls ever learn how to get a boyfriend? Well, instead of seeing pointers and tips on courtship rituals, I see a fucking BOOK REVIEW COPY-PASTED FROM AMAZON.COM. And the book review isn't even about how to get a boyfriend -- it's about how to adapt to changes in your already existing relationship.

So they're saying that basically all girls have to do is get out of bed in the morning and they're all set with finding a boyfriend? That they don't even have to expend any effort? And meanwhile us guys are sitting here never even having had the chance to see a girl honestly laugh and smile from being happy at just being around, while the guys that go out and exude auras of masculinity are running around wooing every attractive female he sets eyes on? What is wrong with this picture?

These are the kinds of things that I think about whenever I think about relationships. Of course I don't want to have a relationship based upon sex or physical attraction -- for one I don't consider myself to be that perfect of a human male specimen, and therefore don't really think it's worth it to dress a certain way or wear a certain cologne or spend my time in certain places just for the sake of attracting mates. Another thing to consider is the fact that I don't exactly enjoy going out and partying or getting drunk with random people or any of that bullshit, so these tips are useless to me because they are aimed at the stereotypical "college culture" demographic.

The idea of having a relationship ultimately grounded on physical attraction is pretty sickening to me. Ideally, I would meet and be friends with a girl my age, with similar interests and as much relationship experience as I have had (namely, none), and whose close friendship based on a genuine regard for and true liking of each other basically developed out of human nature into something more intimate, sharing our first experiences together.

In saying these things, yes, I realize that they are sophomoric and very naive. However, I recognize that I am also incredibly naive, and have the social ability of maybe a 12-year-old. I'm shy, don't like myself much at all, don't have any real sense of responsibility (I spend all my time on the internet and spending my paychecks on buying anime and shit rather than study for classes, do homework, or pay college bills -- I know that it's hurting people who are pulling their weight and more to get me through college, and here I am taking all that effort they're investing in me and throwing it in the toilet), and will probably end up alone and relatively friendless for the rest of my life, if I don't just get sick of breathing and kill myself. I don't enjoy being here much, there's nothing that I want to accomplish, nothing I'm working toward, I'm sitting here using up substance and not providing anything in return.

On top of that, I have the internal opinion that any girl who has had more than one sexual relationship in the space of two years before the age of 20 is a fucking dirty, disgusting, filthy whore -- regardless of the circumstances of these relationships. Girls who lose their virginity before reaching 20 or so are also seen as sluts, and anyone with piercings or tattoos or who listens to popular music or who uses chat abbreiations or who goes out to drink or party or involves themselves in any way with a fraternity or a sorority or anything like that... those people are morons and I feel disgusted even speaking with them.

112 (sage)
Anonymous at 11 Apr 2005: 17:46

continued from >>111

As you can tell, these attitudes and biases and thought processes are not very normal. In fact, I became quite depressed that at the age of 18, the last girl I ever knew who was a virgin lost it to some fucking prick who wooed her, had sex with her (from what I heard, not in the most compassionate way -- he basically just went at it), and dumped her within the space of two months. Whether this was out of compassion, feeling for what she'd lost by this, or whether I was actually just fucking jealous that every single person that I knew had had at least ONE sexual encounter, I have no idea and am scared to find out the answer.

It is thus that I come to the way I feel. Yes, I am sexually attracted to girls my age. I am NOT attracted to what 99.9999% of all girls my age ARE. In fact, I don't even want to associate myself with them. Even if I were to not completely loathe every one of the girls who were like that, they would soon find that I was completely unskilled in even how to talk to them, or where to go, or what to do, or anything like that, and they would move on to find someone who was able to roll with it where I was basically wanting her to teach me how to behave when dating or whatever, since I obviously don't have the innate ability to do so.

And even if you're not born with the ability to interface well with other people, (though some are better predisposed to it than others are), you still have to learn these things through social contact. I was never able to experience the greater amount of the social aspect of the years between being 11 in 7th grade and 15 in 11th grade. I just never got it. Thus the only way I can ever get it, to catch up to the years that I missed, (since I'm obviously not ready for social interaction at the adult level at this point in time), is to go back and immerse myself in groups of people with my social age. Unfortunately I'm 19 and the people with my social age are all 14 or 15.

And here I come to my dilemma. Since girls my own age are both completely out of my league or interest (and none of them would ever EVER consider me as a potential boyfriend), and I actually have more people in the 14-16 age bracket who like me than in my own age bracket, I have found that girls in that age are generally sweeter, more understanding of my situation, usually at my level in terms of their experience with the opposite sex, and don't have the problem where they feel they have to go out and drink and fuck random people every night.

Of course, even at the most optimistic of estimates, I am on speaking terms with two girls total, one of whom I haven't talked to in nearly a year and who I've heard is entering a relationship at this time, and the other is pretty much someone who I've found myself getting attracted to out of sheer necessity; even though everything about her sets off alarms. She subscribes to the gothic "subculture", listens to that fucking horrible "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH" music, has cut herself, has many friends in the age group of 18-25, and considers school to be a place where she is oppressed by teachers who dislike her and students who shun her. Once, in November, we made plans to hang out (I'd like to mention at this time that this isn't some random girl I met in the Junior High playground. She has been good friends with my younger brother since they were both in 3rd grade, so we've known each other, though it's only recently that we've actually TALKED.) for a few days. Being the fucking pussy that I am, I was unable to call her house myself, having to ask my brother to do it for me; when we did meet up, I found myself starting to think about her in ways that I really didn't want to think about her (wanting to hug her every ten seconds, playfully poking her every once in a while, things like that) that I realized were my feeble attempts at subconsciously trying to flirt with this girl who was five years younger than me and a freshman in High School. I talk to her online fairly often, she says that she wants to spend more time with me (even if I say it first a lot of the time), and I've recognized that if I don't keep myself in check I might end up acting in a way that could get me into trouble -- trying to kiss her, urging her to cuddle, trying to hold her hand or something.

I have been worried for some time because I have thought of her sexually a few times, even though I don't think I would ever touch her (she's not stupid and told me that she knew all along how I was feeling and acting... she has been in relationships before so I realize that this is not who I want to set my attention to for a possible first girlfriend -- age barrier not withstanding)... I have therefore just started speaking to her less and less in an effort to wean myself from the only real female contact I have had for nearly a year.

So basically, this is where I stand. I've pretty much been forced into a situation where my only options for a relationship lie in girls who according to the law and the values of society are jailbait. Not only that-- but sexually, it's not the breasts, or the vagina, or other secondary or primary sexual characteristics that give me the most intense sexual stimulation: I have a foot fetish. Thus it's technically possible (and there have been instances in my life where this has happened) that sexually I am attracted to girls of any age, barring of course the obviously disgusting seven year olds. For Christ's sake, when I was 15 my brother's friend, a 10-year-old girl, slept over at the house a few times, and every time she was over I licked her feet while she was sleeping. Of course I also did it to my cousin who was the same age as me, at around the same point in time (said cousin three years later then got fucking pregnant and now lives in the fucking ghetto doing drugs -- the mother's side of the family is full of trash and losers, you British folk call them chavs I guess), and a few times while at friends' houses I have satisfied myself sexually with the feet of their sisters.

So basically I have the potential to be aroused by the feet of a twelve-year-old at this point right now, and if I had the chance I would probably act on it; wouldn't touch her sexually, that doesn't interest me much, if I did anything I'd probably ogle her feet and maybe touch them if she'd let me.

So now you get the idea of just how fucked up I am.

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Anonymous at 13 Apr 2005: 12:58

If ands and they should be shot. wow this is relly going sumwhere hu.

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Anonymous at 14 Apr 2005: 04:12

>>113

...what? That made no sense.

>>111-112 ........ wow just wow

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Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 05:30

>112

ahahahahaha holy fucking shit

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Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 07:51

wow, fucking internet

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Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 08:06

>>112
aah yes foot licker pedo, we've met before

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KevLar#Rk65RrS2Gg at 15 Apr 2005: 08:07

all i read was:
>>I'm sure that I would have paid much more attention to your arguments had you presented them in proper English.
>>So now you get the idea of just how fucked up I am.
EMO

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Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 08:15

Dude eaither wait or date older women you fucking sick pervert.

120
Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 10:58

Nobody's life is perfect.  Quit bitching.

You are not morally upright.  There is no such thing as being morally upright, as morals are completely subjective.

Stop concerning yourself with the lives of others, unless you are going to actually help them.

Stop expecting things to be given to you and start taking.

Accept yourself.  Understand that mainstream society will reject you for what you are, so you must accept youself. Understand that as long as you hurt no one, no one can decry you as evil.

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Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 12:38


>>120
>>Understand that as long as you hurt no one, no one can decry you as evil.

as much as I like what you are saying, that is most definitely not a true statement.

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Vinz#ORCUs8nkzw at 15 Apr 2005: 13:54

>>111
>>112

ples to be givink Achmed ur name & address so he may blows you up teh good.
Congratulations, thanks solely to how utterly PATHETIC you are, I'm disassociating myself with peds forever. From now on I'm an Athiestic Catholic Bishop. That'll be the new wink-nudge codeword for the intellectual folks with megalomaniacal drive and ambition. gb2Bosnia emo whore. Ugh, and a foot fetishist too. You sicken the 'net with your sad sack self, dweebenheimer.

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Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 15:00

>>15

as anyone who ever tried to find a good fansub channel would know finding a good network/channel is 99% of the challenge to pulling anything off of irc.  One has to question your motives, if not at a concious then at a subconcious level, for including an actual network with your post.

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Anonymous at 15 Apr 2005: 15:08

>>123

Are you in the right thread? :confused:

125
Anonymous at 17 Apr 2005: 20:21

>>111
I can understand what you are going at but I really can't understand why you are saying "because there is no other girl my age who I can be closer with, I should go after younger girls who I seem to click better with".

I think having a sexual attraction of teenage girls is normal. I myself once had when I was a teenager myself.  Younger than 12 then it goes all weird and that I cant understand why ppl like those that young. Anyways its ok but when you start oggling and raping them thats still wrong.

Anyways back to >>111, you are on the right track to say that you just look for interest and liking in a girl. Just need to be patient. And it really doesnt matter if you are geeky or socially inept. Like >>120 said just accept who you are and go on being who you are. I have a friend who was the geekiest guy ever (Roleplay nerd) and one who no girl would not think of going after. When he started college, not only did a girl went after him, she went aggressively went after him. And she and him are quite a happy couple. That was because he never really went into the "I am geek, I will never have a social life". He just accepted who he was and went on with life. I myself am stil no gf and thats cos I have been stuck with this stupid mainstream crap and not accepting who I am really.

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Anonymous at 17 Apr 2005: 20:30

Uh edit in >>125
I think having a sexual attraction of teenage girls is normal. I myself once had when I was a teenager myself and still "abit" attracted to them (I find them too flat now). Younger than 12 then it goes all weird and that I cant understand why ppl like those that young. Anyways its ok but when you start oggling and raping them thats still wrong.

127
Anonymous at 19 Apr 2005: 08:49

what is going on in this thread

128
Anonymous at 19 Apr 2005: 16:06

Pedophiles Anonymous

129
Anon at 21 Apr 2005: 15:29

did he rape their feet? LOL

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AnonymousFrom#ZORPCu4TgQ at 21 Apr 2005: 15:55

125 understands a bit. Sometimes, the old European ways are the best ways for some of us either do not or prefer not to move on. (note I did not say cannot as I believe this is both inborn and choice together. Little bit in one making you susceptible to the other.) Like, arranged marriages were always between pretty, or at the very least average girls. Only people that ran away from that had hotter servant girls on the side. Why could they not have the best of both worlds? Screw the church, do as I did in Medieval and TAKE IT OVER if it annoys you so much. Hahaha! Loli harems for all the princes of the world!

   Considering there's only like 5% of us or so who actively pursue such a thing, why can't some of you greedy selfish bastards make the necessary sacrifice? Why must you instead make with the hatred, which never solves anything, only drives it underground and makes it far more dangerous! Such confusion I am in over this sort of thing. It is like the law that gives longer sentences for statuatory than MURDER. Not that I would follow that, but many more desperate/violent ones do. To me they are like budding roses. You only clip the thorns of a lily white rose, you do not clip its stem. Only a sickly greedy man does such things, and he has many more problems in his head then, believe me. To those types, this is not a preference. It is purely a power trip, and those kinds of people are simply bad pears all around. Taking them by force bears the same fruit I believe, and shows a lack of caring or willpower.

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NJ at 21 Apr 2005: 16:28

Seems like you made yourself the way you are.  Society helped a bit, but you are in control of your life... even if you have low self-esteem.  Understand that you are sexually frustrated and cannot see your complete selfish, self-centered life.  Liking other people’s feet for your own enjoyment while they’re asleep?  Thinking about women (girls) as sexual object is your most horrible problem.  It is true that our society teaches women (girls) to use their bodies to get what they want.  This is a sad reality, but women (girls) exist out there that do not have this ingrained into their being… they are the ones who are younger and innocent usually.  If that isn’t bad enough, males in our society are taught to hold doors open for the weaker sex.  Parade them around like some icon and in doing so we win their affection, like it is some ultimate prize or something.  I’ve talked with many other people who have grown into “feet” fetishes and “pedo” fetishes, and each of these people have a deep seeded lust that does not include the object of their lust in any way other than being present.  They are people who act for only their enjoyment and lust.  This is wrong if put to the “law of universal actions”.  If everyone acted in his or her own interest all the time, then the world would be filled with people that are animals, not human.  They would fight over everything, they would never consider other’s feelings, and they are in every sense evil.  It’s sad, but as a society we have to push holidays and rituals on people in order to curve the selfishness.  Christmas, in most western cultures is the only time people would think to give a present to someone without the idea of getting anything in return, but that is not totally true.  I see it all the time, people who give presents, expect presents in return, even though they usually get something they would never buy for themselves.  Birthdays are similar in most western cultures, but some people actually give other’s presents on their birthday to say, “thank you for being a part of my life”.  To rap things up, these “popular” selfish labels people attach like “homosexual”, “pedophile”, and even “player” are really just one action in a person’s life.  People are more than one action; they are more than a label, although most are happy to be labeled.  If everyone were a Pedophile all the time, then we wouldn’t have women over the age of 18 having sex at all.  That is a sad thought, because it is an enjoyable act that brings two people close together and pleasures both.  If everyone were a homosexual all the time, then we would die as a race.  Yes we need people to not be homosexual in order to have children.  If everyone were only concerned with pleasuring himself or herself, then we would be a society of evil selfish, self-centered people who do not care at all about anything in this world other than themselves.  This would mean, no serious doctors, no serious scientists, no good doers, no laws created for a good reason, no inventions to help society (people now make new drugs only because they want to corner the market… they don’t want to actually cure anything). 

If you are a person that believes they can do whatever they want, understand that your actions then need to be justified by making anyone do whatever they want, as long as you are okay with doing it yourself.  So, if in the future you have children and you let them sleep over at a friends house would you be okay with some older male or female licking their feet and getting sexual enjoyment from this act?  Remember, they are doing this to your child without your child’s knowledge of it, or yours.  If you think this is okay, understand that others do not want this act done to their children.  Why?  Any number of reasons, that include; “They do not want the freedom of their child to be violated.”  If a child is sleeping they are not in a position to give any type of consent.  What’s worse, children aren’t really smart enough to give any type of consent… but then again, I know many adults that are not smart enough to give consent.  Everything you do to a person is a part of them; every action you do around others is a reflection of their experiences and yours.  Do people have the right to treat others as means only to their ends?

Well, that’s enough of the philosophy of MJ.
PS: "Pedophilia: nature or nurture?" (sexual attraction = nature)

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NJ at 21 Apr 2005: 16:32

This message (131/132) was suppose to be attached to >>111

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Anonymous at 23 Apr 2005: 22:44

    O Canada!
    Our home and native land!
    True patriot love in all thy sons command.

    With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
    The True North strong and free!

    From far and wide,
    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

    God keep our land glorious and free!
    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

    O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

134
Anonymous at 24 Apr 2005: 22:18

nurupo

135
Anonymous at 24 Apr 2005: 22:41

you sir are right i feel like you

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Anonymous at 24 Apr 2005: 22:42

>>111-112

best world4ch posts so far
but you can still sink much deeper
keep it up, loser!

PS: promiscuous women are a good thing. helped me getting laid quite some times and none of them were bad persons

137
Anonymous at 25 Apr 2005: 10:10

>>111
>>112
Yuo = teh win.

138 (sage)
Anonymous at 25 Apr 2005: 12:05

>>134

GA

139
Anonymous at 27 Apr 2005: 18:09

www

140
Anonymous at 28 Apr 2005: 00:42

OK I JUST WANT TO FUCK A LOLI, THATS ALL I WANT TO DO OKAY?
NOW STFU AND LEAVE US ALONE U STUPID FUCKING FAG

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Gunblade & Ragnos13 at 11 May 2005: 13:53

Upon reading this incredibly long thread...(with a friend for support)

We conclude this was the funniest AP US HISTORY class we have ever had. We salute you Pedos-Anonymous although you're all sick in our opinion.




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Anonymous at 11 May 2005: 15:46

Too bad it's dead (the thread that is).

143
Anonymous at 15 May 2005: 17:40

>>142

It's not dead until it reaches >>1000get!

144
Anonymous at 15 May 2005: 17:44

I eat babies.

145
Anonymous at 16 May 2005: 21:26

1000get

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Anonymous at 18 May 2005: 10:15

Sound the trumpets and prepare for a glorious charge, who shall reach the goal first? A random straggler like me? A lolikon? A puritanical nitwit that can't keep his cock out of other people's bedrooms? A closet-case mixup of the above?
...Nah actually I hope a mod hits it and threadstops at the exact same time, that'd be proper pwnage on all you fuckheads.

147
Anonymous at 18 May 2005: 13:02

stfu

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Anonymous at 19 May 2005: 01:57

hope a mod hits it and threadstops at the exact same time

You're an idiot because after >>1000get the thread automatically stops, it's been like that since 2ch first started in 1999

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Anonymous at 19 May 2005: 08:19

1000get

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Anonymous at 22 May 2005: 04:11

i think you were off >>149

151 (sage)
Anonymous at 22 May 2005: 06:05

1000get

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Anonymous at 23 May 2005: 12:36

>>148
fail at detecting sarcasm.

153 (sage)
Anonymous at 23 May 2005: 14:57

1000get

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Anonymous at 23 May 2005: 15:14

i love children

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Anonymous at 24 May 2005: 01:17

>>154
me too

156
Anonymous at 25 May 2005: 08:12

This thread is full of priests.

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Anonymous at 25 May 2005: 22:52

lv99 priest

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Anonymous at 28 May 2005: 20:44

158 GET

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Anonymous at 30 May 2005: 15:31

I put on my robe and pope hat...

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Anonymous at 3 Jun 2005: 02:43

kids like sex too
we should just have the kids have sex with eachother while pedos watch & fap, that way we have no abuse or whatnot going on two birds with one stone m i rite

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Anonymous at 4 Jun 2005: 16:19

any argument for letting kids have sex with each other but not letting adults have sex with kids is what causes pedophilia

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Anonymous at 4 Jun 2005: 16:22

i expect kids tobe inserted with gigantic dick which kids doesnt have.

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 08:39

zOMG KIDS ARE HAWT!

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 08:42

Copy of B/ discussion

-people with lolita fetish are not HUMAN!
-Yotsuba's so fucking cute and sweet. ... some additional lovemaking, I'd stuff her in a bin bag. Three Weeks later, some playing children will find her mutilated and desecrated body in the forest. They will be scarred for life.
-What's the matter pussies, can't take the heat? Damn lolis, how can people be so sick right? Lolicon, pedophilia, all just too closely related to think about...too much for you is it? Aw poor guys.
-Lol you need to die. Enjoy your grave, fucking pervert.
-labelling someone a pervert?
what an intolerant society here, you can't accept another person's sexual preferences just because you yourself chose not to practice them?
-well at some point intolerance comes into play. its not like people are gonna cheer for rape
-this is /b/. there is irony in calling people on /b/ perverts.
-it just happens that the particular fetish in question (differing from mere drawings) usually involves someone who is unable to give consent, and therefore cannot be validated on the same plane as most fetishes or paraphilia.
-Alright, well, I rest pretty easily in the fact that like me, you'll have to die. At least I can take some kind of joy in that fact. People like you don't really deserve to live, as you take sexual pleasure from things which aren't meant to be sexually gratifying. Oh, but I don't question anything because I think it's wrong to lust over another sentient being who isn't properly developed enough to make responsible decisions.
-please die child rapists.
you are sick - that's all.
-You're just taking what you think is correct for granted, I'm not talking only about lolicon. And I may die, but the lolicon never will~ in any case, stfu <3
-omg liberal media feeds us "truth" that pedophilia is a psychological illness lawl

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 08:44

Copy of B/ discussion part 4
-Actually read that again, I was criticizing him for having to lash out at people who think morals are correct...
-okay, so...
I would fuck a little girl. Maybe she won't like it, maybe she'll resist or scream or even die, you know what? I won't care, as long as I'm satisfied. You people can curse and bitch and go all "omg u r sick", but I won't care. Cause everything that matters to ME is my OWN happyness, something which is -gasp- only natural for any normal human being, you acting up and feeling so good about yourselves only proving it!

PS, no I would not really fuck a little girl (as it happens not to be what makes ME happy, which is pure coincidence), but you see my point don't you? Talking about what is right and what is wrong seems pretty pointless, you know?
-you should be shot.
-"Talking about what is right and what is wrong seems pretty pointless, you know?"  You fail at philosophy
-Although once somewhat more lenient in regards to ages concerning maturity, modern western judo-christian standards are much more stringent practitioners not in North America/Europe let alone other religions/societies.

And although sexual activity was not promoted back then, the individuals in question were capable of making such decisions at an age that now, would probably be considered by many far too young for them to make any kind of reasonable decision.

If you're going to argue against manipulation and exploitation of non-consenting and trully ignorant children, go for it. If you're going to make blanket statements and use sensasionalist terms (rape this and that) to try and create illusions of absolutes as justification for more extreme measures to be taken...

well nevermind this is the internet. I'll just end by calling into question your character/honesty, comparing you to hitler, and going LOL INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 08:45

Copy of b discussion part 5
-This kind of hedonistic attitude is what starts wars anyhow. Like it's been said, when you hold no regard for others, they will hold no regard for you. By your own logic you deserve to die, many times, as there are people who are eager to kill you for your "happiness".
-yes, yes, that's exactly the kind of reaction I love to see from guro/lolicon/etc! Please do it again
-You're some fat fuck who masturbates to childpron.
You are not cool, rebelious, cynical or something else.
You are just fucking misserable.
-Maybe we should just lock up all selfish bastards willing to screw other humans over for their own pleasure (not survival) whethere it's sadistic murder or rape or deliberately making someone starve so you can wear more bling.

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 08:48

Copy of B discussion part 2 (yes the board ate it)
-Lol it's /b/, it doesn't matter what the fuck you say here, eat shit and die. Either way, yeah you're cool for being "rebellious". It's pretty easy to use logic to come up with something like it's wrong to enforce your will over something like children and violate them. And most other fetishes are simple psychological disturbances as sex is an act for reproduction, so therefore it makes no sense to use it for anything else. Nice try defending perverts though. :)
-Taking sexual pleasure from things that aren't meant to be sexually gratifying? Die for lusting over something that doesn't want it or is incapable of understanding the extent of your feelings?
Well ir, unless you've only jacked off to your one and only spouse, after she told you trhat she was well aware of your feelings (which anyone can SAY) then you're probably guilty of it to.
Child rape is sick. Lolicon is... unsettling. Any kind of fetishe and lust after non-consenting stuff in general? Very few males on the planet who aren't guilty of that, and the vast majority are perfectly healthy, sane, functional individuals relatively speaking.
-Little girls make my penis hard and you guys can bitch and whine about it or whatever, I won't care. How did you get to /b/ anyway? hahaha
-When your sexual pref. not only always involves rape but is a crime against nature (even animals don't fuck the undevelopped young) then you ARE a criminal & a pervert. Your sexuality is utterly SELFISH, there can be no pleasure or consent from your partner. The only way for you to have sex is to emotionally and physically torture another human. Put it how you like: it's the truth. Many are willing to admit it.
There are no two ways about it:
No consent or understanding of sex=rape
Undevelopped body=physical harm
Prepubescent=no desire=emotional harm
Looking at real c/p=supporting a rapist
Looking at or creating drawn c/p=spreading false ideas that kids enjoy it.
Tho not all lolikon turn into pedos you can't ignore the tiny % who will turn to real porn or kids.
If you really love kids (more than your dick) you will understand the will to get rid of c/p and may think of castrating yourself (as many have done before) in order to never hurt a child.
-"Prepubescent=no desire=emotional harm"
you should see some of the loli stories they have in jp adult magazines. some of those lolis are like YES GIVE ME DA COCK NOW and the teacher/older brother/etc is like "uhh okay" and the loli is like YAY
-whatever, posting some more loli to piss you off
-If you can get idiots to belive that aliens are among us with a few films books and comics then you can be sure there are lolikon out there who think that their next door neighbours daughter is actually begging for sex when she comes round to ask for butter.
-"even animals don't fuck the undevelopped young"
If you mean less than sexual maturity then you're wrong. Many animals can and will sex with stuff even if it's a different species or not of sexual maturity. This is especially true of more intelligent animals like apes and whales, who will have sex for reasons other than procreation.
Not all guys with little girls are rapists. Yeah, there are some younger females who have a sexual relationship with an older male and actually grow up not crazy/damaged/blah blah. Not enough to say everyone go nuts, but you should cut out the sensationalism.
Does lolicon in anime in general support child rapists? Does guro hentai support necrophilia or murder rapists? Does x porn support x rapists? Juries still kidn of out on that one.

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 08:49

Copy of B discussion part 3 (yes the board ate it)

-Well, people are gonna believe whatever shit they want to, in the end. So those with similar morals might as well get together and just wipe out the anomalies, like the loli and guro fetishists already. No jail or anything, just a quick dispatch. Clean up the gene pool and make the species a little more orderly.
-And you can get idiots to believe that there's no such thing as a sexually interested or active pre-teen.
-If someone's gonna rape a kid, he's not gonna wait to read it in a manga first. Shouldn't blame these in my opinion, could actually have the opposite effect of what you say as statistics seem to support (not that statistics are accurate, but in any case).
-They'd come back. You can never elimnate "anamolies". Just be careful of who you put in charge or they might come killing anyone who engages in oral sex, handjobs, mutual masturbations, or likes sex for reasons other than procreation- citing it as "unnatural".
-Why must you fuckers think that sexually active means emotionally capable? Fucking teenagers for the most part aren't even emotionally capable for sex. They end up having it and then they get fucked up over it.
-child porn involves rape yes it should be banned as should any form of "glorified rape" (thats when the woman is shown to be enjoying it) because it encourages anti-social sexuality. rape is not the same as glorified rape, murder is not the same as glorified murder. Books that teach people to kill are illegal (the terrorist handbook with poison and explosive formulas) why not books that make rape seem like a nice thing!
If we can jail a politician for inciting a lynching (you don't have to follow his orders but some will!) then we should be able to jail a lolikon artist for inciting a rape in the minority of people who don't ever understand another way of having sex.
-Yeah everyone pretty much needs to die, but sometimes I get to thinking that maybe humans can create an equilibrium where there isn't much violence/instability, and that involves removing people who would think about having sex with children among others.
-and why exactly does child porn have to be rape?
-prepubescent not preteen dumbass
I was 10 and a half when I first had my period and started thing about sex...sure I wasn't ready for any sexual activity before 16 at least.
gah after all, does it matter how old the kid is? What counts most is consent or lack thereof.
-Because it's sex with an unconesnting individual you jackass. The fact of the matter is nobody wants to teach their children about sex, so they aren't informed. You don't like that? Well too bad, cuz the majority of people don't like you, and all it boils down to in the end is the will of the majority, so keep whining.
-Avergae loss of virginity is age 17. That means a good percentage lose it before and after that age. Teenagers are in general less emtionally mature than adults sure, but not every person below the age of your choosing is totally ignorant about their bodies, desires, and feelings, and not everyone above that age are perfectly aware of theirs.
Physical and emotional sexual maturity, if most of human society over the past couple thousand years is any indication- occurs between ages 14 and 18.
Again, I'm not saying that everyone should go out and start having sex as soon as they turn X years old, but that the age at which a person can engage in a healthy sexual relationships with no ill effects is generally younger than western judo-christian culture generally gives them credit for.
But very few (not even full grown women) appreciate the sexual advances of some random 30+ year old unattractive male stranger.
-True. Many child abuse victims don't understand what happened to them and think it is either natural to be hurt by adults or that they did something bad to deserve it.
Kids need to be taught what sex is, who is it for, how it works and how to recognize someone who is touching you where he/she is not allowed to. Children need to know that they can say 'no' if they don't want to be touched/have sex...and that anything that happen to them is not their fault.
-What I love about lolicon, guro, pedophilia, rape, is not whether it's arousing or not as much as the fact that it holds nothing sacred. I see it as a nice big FUCK YOU to all the fags who whine and bitch about anything they've been taught is wrong existing.
-It actually has little to do with judeo-christian culture, as judeo-christians used to get married at younger ages in the past as well. It has more to do with advancing society and the things you need to learn to be able to survive in the world and raise a family, which take many more years to cultivate; and before you're physically, emotionally and possibly financially capable for raising a family, sexual activity is not usually promoted. It is tolerated, but ideally since sex is a reproductive act it is encouraged to be held off until such a time.
-Oh, and also, fuck you for not being content to just live your own stupid life and having to retaliate at the people who believe they should hold morals, fuckwad hypocrite.
-so if somedbody comes over and cracks your skull open with a stone, since morals are "Lo2l"O!11 FOR FUCK LAMoRRzrZZR"!!!!" that's fine too?
Morals are the little thing that differs a human from an ape.
But fucking child molester scumm like you, who tries to act tough on the internet, probably is not willing to understand that.
-I'm all for freedom of speech but by definition "my freedom stops where yours starts". The rights to be a pedophile/rapist stop when they infringe on the right of a child/person to choose to have sex and live life unharmed.
I and many others here are fine with most deviancies: BDSM, coprophilia, age-difference etc as long as both (or more) parties are consenting.
A person who says no or a child who doesn't understand sex or want it is not a consenting partner.
As for animals, I really don't know.
Anyhow what counts is that many hentai guro and lolikon/shotacon depict rape as opposed to the fetishist stuff in which tops and bottoms come together in agreement to have sex in their own albeit strange ways.
It's not about natural/unnatural or religion: it's about consent and only about consent.
Making a non consensual act seem good or enjoyable to the victim is ...i hate to use the word... well wrong.

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 08:49

A pedo discussion without pedo bear?

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 09:31

Vocabulary Note:

Person who has desires for prepubescent children = Pedophile
Person who acts upon and feeds those desires by watching child porn drawn or real, by stalking, by touching or molesting a child (includes incest) = Pedosexual
Child = human before puberty
Consent = agreement to partcipate and understanding of what they are consenting to.

There are cases of Pedophiles not wanting to harm any children and castrating themselves to get rid of their pedosexual desires.

The only differences between real child porn and lolikon (drawn child porn) are the fact that the former requires a real rape to happen and the latter can depict the child enjoying it.

I personally think that lolikon can lead on to child porn by feeding the unsatisfied pedosexual lusts... and as soon as child porn enters the equation then ethics immediately says it is 'wrong' because a child was tortured for a pedo to fap.

Can lolikon be defined as an incitement to rape by glorifying it? Should it be made illegal on the same level as child porn?
Technically someone looking at CP has done no harm as they did not hurt the child themselves... rather they supported the molester by viewing his acts and support an industry that does produce a small percentage of real life molesters. Can't this be said of lolikon too?

A few questions to the pedos who confirmed their sexual preference/deviancy on this board:
Would you ever hurt a child? Or would you rather be castrated than hurt a kid?
At what point (if ever) did you first recognise that pedophilia was rape?
Do you know of lolikons who moved on to real porn or pedophile roleplay (see projectmegan.com)?
Would you accept a law prohibiting lolikon media if it was proven that it would reduce the number of active pedosexuals?

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Anonymous at 13 Jun 2005: 09:56

blah. blah. whine. whine. moan. moan.

fact is i read a story a few months ago about an 8 year old in afrika who didnt have sex, but jsut GAVE BIRTH, meanign was probobly fertile around age 7. MEANING that yes, humans indeed would have a natural instinctive atraction to children, they CAN be fertile, and god damnit, sexually attractive or not some little girls jsut make you wanna go "aawwwww" and that adorableness can be translated into hotness in some.

personally i dont see a point in fucking something that doesnt release the "red tide" every now and then, but if that tide releaser is 12 and consents, theres absolutley no issue in MY mind.

im against rape. aside from that, go for it. if the person says "no" stop. if not, but they look like they wanna, stop. if not, enjoy.

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Anonymous at 14 Jun 2005: 20:43

I don't understand why people make political shit out of nature VS. nuture with sexuality.  They've proven that it can be inborn, with pedophilia and homos, but it being inborn has nothing to do with weather it's moral or not.  (gay penguins, gay dolphins, lesbian seagulls, look it up)

Infanticide is rampant among animals, and that's natural.  So why don't we kill our seven year olds and say "oh, it's natural, I'm just an infaticidist (or whatever).  You going to stomp on MY rights?  I CAN'T HELP IT!"

However, homosexuality is a completely victimless action.  It's not our right to decide what someone does with their dick or ass   (Or mouth, or eyesockets, or whatever your imagination can cook up).  But a 12 year old doesn't have the maturity to make that kind of decision.  So it's almost always rape, even if they "want" it.  Kids at that age sniff paint. 

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Anonymous at 17 Jun 2005: 23:32

>>172
Who are you to decide that a 12 year old doesn't have the maturity?

Also that gay penguin crap is bullshit. Those penguins are not gay. They just want to fuck something. When there were not female penguins around they went for the male ones.

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Anonymous at 18 Jun 2005: 08:06

>>173 Thats pretty gay.

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Anonymous at 18 Jun 2005: 11:33

>>174
The point is that when there are female penguins around, they would not fuck the male ones. It is just release; not penguin male-to-female attraction thingy.

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TWIX at 18 Jun 2005: 12:02

Hah... Hahahahah...  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..

Ever hear of Silo and Roy? Wendell and Cass?
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/cns/2002-06-10/591.asp
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi  <Paste the two lines together>
?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL

Some penguins go so far as to bring in a female, mate with her, make her lay an egg, drive her off and take care of it themselves. 

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TWIX at 18 Jun 2005: 12:03

Dude, it's a fucking 12 year old!  Get some fucking compassion you lolicon pedo piece of shit!

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Anonymous at 19 Jun 2005: 02:03

I'm afraid they have too much fucking compassion.

Or is that fucking passion?

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Anonymous at 3 Jul 2005: 15:57

>>173
What the hell makes you think they WOULD have the maturity? infact by the definition of maturity 12 years =/= mature

what the fuck would you do in a "meaningful relationship" with a 12 year old anyway? talk about the powerpuff girls??

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Anonymous at 3 Jul 2005: 16:40

It's not about intelligent discussion and emotional bonding.  It's about having a narrow pecker crammed into an undeveloped tiny hole.

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Anonymous at 4 Jul 2005: 07:05

>>180 speaks the truth

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Anonymous at 4 Jul 2005: 23:45

yes i love lolis pussy

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Anonymous at 5 Jul 2005: 20:17

I'm pedophile and wouldn't want to be any other way. I've never touched a child inappropriately, and I have no problem controlling myself. But little girls are just the most desirable things in this world to me. Just having some around me makes me all happy ^____________________________^

Little girls = instant super win.

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Anonymous at 6 Jul 2005: 16:29

>>183

O__________________o;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

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Anonymous at 6 Jul 2005: 18:19

truth is your not pedophiles, its just that grown females reject you, i thought i was a pedophile, but then i just kept asking girls out even really fat and ugly ones, and one finly said yes, and then i never jerksed it to childporn again.

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Anonymous at 7 Jul 2005: 12:28

>>185

I hate pedos but geez, you're a fucking loser!

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Anonymous at 8 Jul 2005: 03:34

>>185
ืno, i hav 5 girls my age to choose but i dont. cuz im pedo

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Anonymous at 8 Jul 2005: 03:34

>>185
ืno, i hav 5 girls my age to choose but i dont. cuz im pedo

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Anonymous at 8 Jul 2005: 04:48

>>185
Yeah you fail.

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Anonymous at 8 Jul 2005: 15:18

>> 186-189

hey fuck you guys, its not my fault i'm so ugly.

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Anonymous2 at 8 Jul 2005: 21:44

>>185
ok, this guy is pathetic...
but no, i do not think one can blame pedoism on the fact that the said individual is a "loser." There are many people who choose not to conform to society's standards because they have different tastes or feelings. Would you say that gays are fucking gay because no girls accept them?

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Anonymous at 8 Jul 2005: 22:55

>>191

thats why i'm gay.

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Anonymous at 9 Jul 2005: 00:43

This shit belongs in /vip/

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Anonymous at 9 Jul 2005: 05:29

>>193

no u

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Inst at 9 Jul 2005: 08:22

it's a matter of breast size... i find large breasts disgusting because it suggests moocows who happen to be barefoot and chained to your kitchen.

Being attracted to prepubescent children is just as bad as homosexuality from a Darwinian PoV, postpubescent/pubescent children is mostly cultural since they can get pregnant or get you pregnant.

In medieval Europe, with 35 year Life Expectancy, as soon as you became pubescent you went looking for pussy or cocks, so you could start a family unit before you die of plague.

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Anonymous at 9 Jul 2005: 10:03

Being attracted to prepubescent children is just as bad as homosexuality from a Darwinian PoV

Not really, because they grow up; unless you mean *only* attracted to prepubescents.

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Anonymous at 9 Jul 2005: 16:25

Uh...  8 year olds can get pregnant...

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Anonymous2 at 10 Jul 2005: 06:12

Guiness World Records says...!DAMN!
5 years old

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dodo#n5MqDfnCv. at 10 Jul 2005: 07:23

>>195
wow you must be from some sort of farm house with lots of animals.

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Anonymous2 at 10 Jul 2005: 07:28

>>199

You are a pedo

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dodo#n5MqDfnCv. at 10 Jul 2005: 07:31

>>200
no u

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Anonymous2 at 10 Jul 2005: 07:35

>>dodo
I haite you sir, with all the wretchedness in my heart. I hope your internet falls on your balls and crushes them in all their entirety

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Anonymous2 at 10 Jul 2005: 07:50

disregard that, I suck COCKS.
get a tr